So while coming to conclusions reading many and many books. Rais limbus Gurung etc so called them Mongolied are not even close to being called as gorkhas. Not talking about their ancestors but they have been taking too much advantages like they are the real gorkhas. This issue should be solved too. Why are they taking our ancestors name and utilizing to their own gain. This should be a debate. Just saw a couple of ex British Gurkhas video in youtube they are more inclined towards British crown than their country. This should come out in open. No disrespect to all others who die for their country serving Nepalese army

That is why they are called gorkhas: they die for their duty, country and family comes to second.

yeah Magorkhe1 Bro, definition of Gorkhas changes on ones own needs. never heard this
" That is why they are called gorkhas: they die for their duty, country and family comes to second" .
First as what i have reading in different books both Nepalese and English. Gorkhali come directly from the place Gorkha. The term Gorkhali started while expanding the Kingdom of Gorkha. The first known until gorakh gand was established by Prithivi Narayan Shah and all the people were fighting under that name. Hence the phrase started aayo gorkhakali or gorkhali and kattar bhayera marnu bhanda ladera marnu jaati, which too has been rephrased.
Secondly after 1816 British were allowed to recruit people from Nepal and they established the First Gurkha Unit. maybe these people who came back home after fighting were shamed so they started your so called theory "That is why they are called gorkhas: they die for their duty, country and family comes to second."
now coming to my point gorkha kingdom was long dissembled when Nepal was free from Rana's clutch and re changed to Kingdom of Nepal so why are they still using the term and why others are not allowed to be recruited other than certain surnames.
These Topic should be raised.

Prithivi Naryan Shah's soldiers were called gorkhalis because his kingdom was called Gorkha.
Majority of his fighters were from Khatri castes, mainly two of them, Pandey and Basnet. We know this from history as, Kalu Pandey, Amar Singh Thapa, were some of nepalese bravest military leaders.
When Brithish India asked for gorkha soldiers to serve in their military in return of money, the Pandeys and Basnets were not interested but they saw the money incentive. So instead of sending the high ranking or the main gorkhali soldiers, they sent the janjatis, Rai, Limbus and Gurungs that they had easily captured during Prithivi Naryan's conquest to make his kingdom bigger.
To sum it up, not many know this, but the real gorkhali soldiers who fought and impressed the british india company were Basnets and Pandeys and not Rais, Gurungs or Magars as were are made to believe.

I agree with most of your point Hurray but not only two there were six principle surname that was known as gorkhali or gorkhas, Pande Basnyat Thapa, Pant, Ghale and Gurung. The Gurung i mentioned here are mainly based in kaski region and the Gurung i mentioned in previous post are from Manag. This six surname were known as Cha Ghar Thar, even in Divya Upadesh they are mentioned. Why Pant was added because of Bhagirath Pant, Drabya Shah became King.
Then they were Tandons, Singh, Ale, Shah, Shahi, Kunwar . If you have heard about Ghambhir bahadur Singh while he was fighting with british his stomach was cut and all his intestine started coming out. he took a kachaura/ rikapi (nepali bowl) blocked his intestine coming out and sew his stomach after putting the rikapi inside himself. those were the fighters.
If you look now Rai Limbus, Manange etc are called Gorkhas and beside these people nobody can get the job. These people talk about nepotism in Nepalese Politics. look at what they have done. So why can they only escape? we should keep on with this debate.

where are the people who claims Bahun and Chhetri are running country with nepotism. Why are they silent when these things are raised. Rai,limbus etc in gorkha army. Newar in business. Where there is full nepotism.

So much half assed knowledges, many is comparatively okay though. Here are the facts:

Prithvi Narayan shah's 4 jaat are Khas, Magar, Thakuri and Gurung (real gurung, not Manange as many said). Nepal was unified, mainly, by Khas-Magar.

British raised an army (Named Naseeree battalion) of Gurkhas comprising deserted Nepali soldiers irrespective of any caste and used against fellow Nepalese in the western frontiers. So the cry of Ranas and other Chhetris/ thakuris forcing other castes to join British army is utterly B/S.

First ever castes to get recruited in British Army were Khas-Thakuri (later 9th Gorkha) under Garhwal rifle and Magar-Gurung under Sirmoor (later 2nd Gorkha). But I don't know who spread the rumour Chhetri/Thakuri were not enlisted, this is a lie.

To you people who blame everything to Ranas, Ranas were against British recruitment (Except Bir and Chandra). Don't blame them saying they sold Janajatis, Nepalese people joined british army because of papi pet.

Pandey were khatri but Basnets can never be a Khatri, so understand Nepalese caste/ surname system first. There were few Kumai and Bahuns in Gorkhali army, as officers, Shriharsh Panta being one example, at the time of P N Shah.

Never heard of any Tandons in Nepalese history before, LOL

Kunwar came from Jumla (they were Khadka) to Kaski and moved to house of Gorkha as the doorman.

There were many notable Vassals/ officer from Magar caste, mainly from Rana, Ale, and Thapa clans. So do not belittle their blood and toils in the making of Nepal, no matter how badly caste based politics is going in Nepal now.

Remember, there were many Rais in Gorkhali army, both as soldiers and officers, during Anglo-Nepal war in the eastern frontiers. Tamangs were not allowed in the Gorkhali/ Nepali army; they were used as porters in the war campaigns though. Even many Jamindar Tharus helped providing provisions to Nepal army during Anglo-gorkha war. So, do not dismiss any Nepali's contribution.

Gambhir Singh was a Rayamajhi Chhetri from Palpa, Sobriqueted as"Bahadur" and promoted from a private in Devidutta/ First Rifle to a colonel, by J B Rana,

I am not proud of British or Indian Gorkhas but when someone talks crap I just can't stop myself and I come out of my hibernation, truth is truth.

Unity is our best identity!!

Never heard of any Tandons in Nepalese history before, LOL
Bro please read your history again. go and read kot parbha and then bhandar khal parva and then Nepal tibet war. you will find him
cha ghar thar it's isn't char jaat please again check your refrences.
Aviman singh Rana was the rana magar the first high ranking officer to be shot in kot parbha.
Thakuri wasn't even there until after Junga bahadur got himself lal mohar that he was a rajput Rana. then to seperate themself from chhetri they became thakuri and all those kings before nepal was unified were shown as Thakuri e.g Sen ( wait you might say there were no Sen too in Nepalese history)
Chhetri weren't allowed to go in to British gorkha. the only times you will find them for fighting for british is when jung bahadur himself went to india to stop the india revolution in 1857-8 that too under his command.
Then in 1914 and again in 1938 during two world wars.
why don't you read a column in sukhrabar published by nagarik news every week you will find lot of things about nepalese history being corrected.

Nalapani, care to cite your source?

many bro,
It seems you have very much interest in nepali history, but you did some तोडमोड | I don't think Manages are part of British Gurkha. Since when Rana and Thakuri are same?

Did you forget Bir Balbharda Kuwar went to India (Lahore) to serve a king after he retired from Nepali army ? So monetary incentive is an important factor as Nalapani pointed, but it may not be the only thing. Ranas' role in recruitment of janajati castes in British Army can not be overlooked by saying it was all about 'papi pet'.

Nalapani bro,
Pandes and Pants can be Khatris but PN Shah made them Kazi/Kaji along with Basnets and Magars.
You said "There were few Kumai and Bahuns in Gorkhali army", you forgot that Bahuns are two types: Kumai and Purbiya. And, it it Kumai bahuns (and khatris who have kumai bahun surname) who served in gorkhali army, and worked as royal priest /raj purohit/ raj guru. But, shah kings from Kaski and Lamjung also had Purbiya bahun as royal priests.

And Nalapani bro, i am not talking about you, but some people still talk too much about who is pure chhetri (Kshetriya) and who is Khatri, and who is who. I don't think that is very important now. I have seen some people considering them pure kshetriya or kazi saab even if their mother is from newar or bahun surname. Chora chorima bau aama dubaiko DNA le role play gareko huncha ni |

Interesting! My great grandmother from my mother's side, who was a Rayamajhi, (she passed away 10 years ago), used to tell me the story of Gambhir Singh Rayamajhi (she always mentioned him with the title "Colonel Rayamajhi") and ironically, she said the same thing where during the battle, the stomach was cut off and he took the "kachaura" covered his stomach up and sew it. This was way back when I was a 10 year old and always thought this was just a tale, and she also told other stories about Colonel Rayamajhi fighting ghosts as well in the middle of the river when he rode his horse to home every night.

Many bro, no offense but, you gave me false impression with your first few posts. Once I saw Chhetri were not allowed in British army I understood your real knowledge level. Read Gurkha recruitment history. Just search 9th Gorkha rifle. Chhetri matra ho ra bro Kumaoni ra garhwali lai pani gorkha regiment ma bharna linthyo. READ...9th Gorkha was Khas (Chhetri, thakuri and khatri) dominant regiment while Chhetris were enlisted in 8th gorkha also. Lau yo indian army ko website hera...

http://indianarmy.nic.in/Site/FormTemplete/frmTempSimple.aspx?MnId=CyE/lAjL/hvKffiorr43Rw==&ParentID=Npx+sobwZ0XAqJVXZbdLQg==

I don't want to brag about my knowledge in Nepalese history but many older Sajha users know I know what I say. FYI, a soldier from 9th Gorkha, Sher Bdr Thapa Chhetri, won Victoria cross in San Marino during WW II. Do not embarrass yourself, read before commenting.

Tandons?? I never heard about them again.

The thing you are referring to Chhetri being in only in Junga bdr's army is during Indian sepoy mutiny, around 1858. Those soldiers were Nepalese soldiers, not british.

Krishna, read my older posts in Sajha, I have written more about G S Rayamajhi.

Lau aru suna Many bro: have you heard about Jaliyawalan bagh incident in Indian history? I hope you have watched the movie GANDHI; Chhetri regiment of Gorkha rifle (9th) was stationed there in Jaliyawalan bagh massacre.

Nice try to scare me with Nagarik news. I read more reliable sources than that. 

Nalapani Bro please read my Answer 

Krishna Bro 

Nalapani bro, I tried to go through your older posts this morning, but really couldn't find any substantial literature on him. And then the Sajha archives just became too slow. San, please up the ante on the archives, will ya? Bro, please direct me to some links of GS Rayamajhi. I would really love to read more. Except few pictures, really couldn't find anything on google.

Many, yes those were the warriors, just fearsome. One of my favorite was Bhakti Thapa. But I would be just a wee bit careful trying to belittle the contribution of today's Gorkhas. To me, every soldier that joins the army deserves some praise because they have voluntarily decided to serve. One may argue on the narrative of who they serve, but joining the ranks is putting your life on the line and to me that's honorable.

We have a long line of generations of ancestors that have come before me, up to my father, that have joined the army. This is is a fascinating subject matter and I will be following this thread and look forward to your contribution.

Hey guys,
Here are some very useful and resourceful links of Gorkhas. These sites are created and managed by one of my friends Nigel St.George. He has dedicated his time and efforts to help Gorkhas. So we can all be very thankful to him.

http://www.2ndgoorkhas.com/
http://www.rgrra.com/ (The Royal Gurkha Rifles)
http://www.2ndgoorkhas.com/gurka_news_noticeboard.html

And a nice music video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTD29MEB-XQ

Enjoy!

Many bro: Mostly, I hate to argue these days. However, when do you think Gorkha recruitment started? Right after Sugauli treaty, right? in 1816 AD. Look when 9th GR dates back. Gurung-Magar were under Sirmoor while khas and Garhwalis were in Garhwal rifle. Later Garhwal rifle got separated and khas soldiers were put under 9th Gorkha. Yes, you are right Nepal darwar (even Ranas until Bir) were against Gorkha recruitment, but Nepalese people joined somehow.
Read an article entitled " Ochterlony's men" published in Himal mag carefully. It shows how British raised Malaun regiment (later named as Nasiree meaning friendship) even during the Anglo-Nepal war ca 1815.

http://old.himalmag.com/component/content/article/735--ochterlonys-men.html

BTW, Gorkha recruitment was a point in Sugauli treaty.

Are you confused about the term Thakuri? I am sensing that.

About Tandons, I am talking about notable ones. There must be chhetris of almost all surname in that status, even magars. So I still don't buy Tandons. We have a military cross in our family, but I don't claim our surname as notable ones. Rest, your wish.

It's for you Krishna bro, enjoy. 

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