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Posted on 04-04-05 11:42 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Who knows about Canadian Immigration?

I heard that it's easy and more precisely less time consuming than U.S immigration. On top it's not that expensive and most people from Nepal with 4 years degree plus some years of work experience do easily qualify?

Can you guys elaborate on this topic and help each other.

Thankx
 
Posted on 04-10-05 6:17 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Golden window,
No Problem. Iam just curiosity where do you live in Toronto...Hope its not Sherbourne Street...Nothing against Sherbourne Street but there are way too many nepalese in that area

Peace
 
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"Nothing against Sherbourne Street but there are way too many nepalese in that area "

LOL
 
Posted on 04-11-05 6:25 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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SriG
You hit the nail on the head :). She starts McGill this fall and yes, we do love Montreal.
I need to know more about the Govt Loans. Are there websites?

So which school do you go to?

Je Me Souviens
;)
 
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Hi Suna Didi,
that's awesome she'll love McGill and the shops in Montreal is GREAT anyways i go to the university of western ontario and i am done this summer YAY hehe.. here's the wesbsite for the govn't loan http://osap.gov.on.ca/eng/eng_osap_main.html ; but the only thing is this is for ontario students, not sure how it works for quebec cuz you know how quebecois like to have everything different but i guess you could contact the regitrar @ mcgill.. good luck.
 
Posted on 04-14-05 9:06 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Lambu Dai - Once we get approval document, we can enter to any place in canada. Is this right ? And all paper work for green card is done at the port of entry. Am I right ?

Thanks for your sincere answer.
 
Posted on 04-14-05 9:51 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Nepali Bhai,
You can go to any place. That is right and also once you get your paper visa where it says you are a "Permanant resident" take that paper along with your trip to canada. At the port of entry you have to surender that paper and they will take your pic along with your family memember who applied along with you. They will ask for your address where they can mail you your PR card. You will receive your PR card in the mail in 2-3 weeks..Then you can apply for Social Insurence Number like we call it Social security Number here in USA. But for your Health card I think you have to be residing in Canada for 3 month before you can apply for Health Card unless the law has changed now.

Good Luck to Start a New Life in Canada..
Peace
 
Posted on 04-14-05 11:41 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Thank you all for your information. I went to their website and did my self-assesment to see if I qualify. I got 71, which is little above passing score of 67.

I am about to finish my master's in this summer. At this point, I only have Bachelor's degree from the US university and more than five years IT experience in the U.S. Now, I need to apply for Canadian PR before I achieve my Master's Degree. I CANNOT WAIT UNTIL I FINISH MY MASTERS.

Question: when I apply for PR, I can only prove them that I have Bachelor's degree at this point, but may I change my education degree status later on... once I apply? In other words, when I go to Interview later, may I prove them.. "hey here I have obtained masters degree in the mean time" and creep up my points? I don't know if I am clear about my question.

I could ask a lawyer, regading this question, but since you all seemed to know a lot about Canadian immigration, I hope you can answer my tiny question. Thank you.


oohi Batuwa:)
 
Posted on 04-14-05 11:52 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Batuwa,
If you want to pay that lawyer the money you might as well pay me dude... (just kidding)...well.....if they call you for an interview yes you can tell them about ur masters degree when you go to Buffalo NY or whereever your regional office is but looking at your B.S Degree along with 5 years of IT experience they will welcome you to canada without interview. Try to submit as soon as possible coz I heard that it takes more than a year these days.
Please don't spent a penny on lawyer, lawyer's aren't going to fasten your process. Its clearly written in some canadian website
I wish you a goodluck in your New Life in Canada

Peace
 
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Lambu Dai: Some of your info are half truth. Problem is you think Ontario Province (Toronto in it) is Canada. Whatever you are telling may be ONLY true for Ontario.

1. At the port of entry, they don't take away your landing paper.... bullshit. They return the top colored copy. You do not have to surender that paper.

2. True, they will ask the address from you where they can mail your Permanent Resident card(s). So be ready with the address, at least the address of someone who know in teh City you are going to.

3. "You will receive your PR card in the mail in 2-3 weeks..Then you can apply for Social Insurence Number ". Again bullshit. You do not have to wait for PR card to apply for SIN cards.

4. "But for your Health card I think you have to be residing in Canada for 3 month before you can apply for Health Card unless the law has changed now." This is true in Ontario. Go to Alberta, Manitoba or Saskatchewan, you can go ahead the same they you arrive in Canada and apply for the health cards.

5. I have to agree that one doesn't have to pay a penny to the lawyer. But believe me, sometimes it works.
 
Posted on 04-14-05 6:09 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Prem dai,
I gave him the information that I came across with when I landed in Toronto back in 2002. So I don't know anything about what other state does . So you give him what you know and he ( Nepali bhai) will contact with someone who knows better than me or you, If he can't get back with anyone then he will make his own decission. Its that simple.
About Lawyer fee...I applied on my own and I got it with in 9 month and lived in Toronto for little over 2 years and saved all that lawyer fee. So what you talking about "BELIEVE ME IT WORKS"

Peace
 
Posted on 04-14-05 10:23 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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I applied in November 2003 and got the landing paper in December 05. I was wondering if I can go there and return to US in a week ? any thoughts ?
 
Posted on 04-14-05 10:24 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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sorry December 04
 
Posted on 04-15-05 5:32 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Bhole babaji,
I thought the same way when I first landed in Canada. But you got to go through a visa process. No matter if you are a permanant resident or tourist you still have to apply for a visa. Like we discuss earlier in the thread US Consulate wants a Social and economy ties with canada before they can offer you the visa. But If you are a canadian citizen (obviously you are not) can just show that citizenship card at the border. So think hard b4 you land in canada..
Plus if you want to land in Toronto you might as well set up an appointment for visa interview with US COnsulate coz it usually is full for a month a head.

Peace
 
Posted on 04-15-05 7:01 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Is it true that individuals who can't get legal status in the USA seek legal status in Canada as their last resort of staying in N. America?
 
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Posted on 04-15-05 8:15 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Check this out:
http://www.readersdigest.ca/mag/2004/08/doctors.html

The same article is posted here also.


Why Is Canada Shutting Out Doctors?
While millions of Canadians can?t find a doctor, thousands of foreign physicians can?t get a licence to practise

BY CLAUDIA CORNWALL


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In Iran, Dr. Shahab Khanahmadi, a graduate of the Tehran University of Medical Sciences, had worked as a family physician for two years. He also worked as an assistant in the university neurology department?s clinical electrophysiology laboratory, studying diseases such as epilepsy. But in Canada, Khanahmadi hasn?t been able to work as a doctor. The closest he?s come to a hospital is as an unpaid assistant to a neurologist and as a volunteer in a family practice.

The 32-year-old says, ?I am so disappointed.? He is the victim of a complicated bureaucracy that seems intent on shutting out foreign-trained physicians.

Khanahmadi came to Vancouver in September 2001. Because his English is flawless, he aced the language tests?written and oral?that foreign-trained doctors must pass to practise in this country. He also passed a series of Canadian medical exams. This year Khanahmadi applied for a residency position under the Canadian Resident Matching Service (CaRMS). He got two interviews but no position. Last year British Columbia had only six positions set aside in family practice for immigrant doctors. In September 2004 Khanahmadi will try for one of these positions, and he says that if he doesn?t make it this September, he?ll probably move. He has already passed the three exams necessary to work in the United States. ?I?d rather stay in Canada,? he says, ?but it?s so difficult for me.?

Equally frustrated are patients, health professionals and administrators across the country who struggle with a shortage of doctors every day. Right now, Hamilton is short 40 physicians?and somewhere between 40,000 and 50,000 people in the community do not have a doctor. ?Young families must use after-hours clinics and hospital emergency departments because they can?t find a physician,? says Kim Harper, former executive director of the Academy of Medicine in Hamilton.

In Calgary, Dana Ball has been looking for a general practitioner (GP) for three years. The mother of three young children says, ?Whenever I see a doctor in a clinic or in emergency, I ask, ?Do you know any doctors that are taking new patients?? They say, ?There are no doctors available?there just aren?t any.??

According to the College of Family Physicians of Canada, 41?2 million people had trouble finding a family physician in 2002. We lack at least 3,000 family doctors, and the situation is getting worse. The country produces fewer family physicians now than it did a decade ago. The shortfall could grow to 6,000 by 2011 if nothing is done.

Specialists are also in critically short supply. We need cardiovascular specialists, anesthetists, psychiatrists, radiologists, obstetricians. Hospitals have to turn patients away because of a shortage of emergency room physicians. In January 2000 Joshua Fleuelling, 18, suffered a serious asthma attack in Scarborough. Because the nearest hospital could not accept any more patients, the ambulance took him to another hospital, where he died. The coroner?s inquest listed the acute shortage of physicians in local emergency departments as one of the causes of his death.

Canada?s doctor shortage is partly rooted in a 1991 report commissioned by the provincial deputy ministers of health. In that document, Morris Barer and Greg Stoddart, two health economists, predicted that Canada was facing a physician surplus. In response, provincial governments, scrambling to save money, cut first-year enrollment to Canadian medical schools by about ten percent. Dr. Andrew Cave, an associate professor in the Department of Family Medicine at the University of Alberta in Edmonton, says, ?Despite the predictions of the gurus ten years ago, in fact, we need more doctors.?

Dr. Dale Dauphinee, executive director of the Medical Council of Canada, coauthored a report in 1999 that calculated that Canada needs to recruit 2,500 new doctors a year. This would cover both physicians retiring or leaving the country and population growth. Our own graduates can?t fill the void: Our medical schools graduate only 1,570 new doctors a year?a shortfall of 930.

A major problem is the shortage of residency openings. The provincial colleges of physicians and surgeons, which grant doctors their licences, require that after medical school, doctors complete a residency: at least two years of hands-on training, usually in a hospital. An American residency is treated on a par with a Canadian one, but residencies in other countries are not. Therefore, the majority of immigrant doctors have to complete a residency here.

?The snag is getting the training,? Cave explains. ?You can pass all your exams, but you still can?t get into a training program.?

Dr. Abdel Bashir graduated from the Sudanese University of Gezira as a general practitioner in 1995. That same year, he came to Ontario, fleeing a brutal dictatorship. In Canada Bashir passed the English exams as well as the Medical Council of Canada?s Evaluation Exam, which all foreign doctors must write. He also passed the council?s Qualifying Exam, which Canadian medical graduates must do to get their licences. He also became a Canadian citizen. However, the final step?getting a residency?proved to be much more challenging than he?d ever imagined.

Bashir had his eye on becoming a resident in internal medicine at McMaster University in Hamilton. But to get there, he needed to pass two more exams?one written and one clinical?administered by the Ontario International Medical Graduate Program. Bashir says, ?I had never failed an exam in my life.? But the first time he took the Ontario exams, his clinical scores were not high enough to be accepted into the program. He tried again a year later, with the same disappointing result.

When he wasn?t on social assistance, Bashir worked as a cabbie and a dishwasher. He tried the exams again in 2002 and 2003. His written results were always among the highest out of some 500 candidates. But the examiners weren?t satisfied with his clinical skills. They told Bashir his accent made it difficult for patients to understand him. Finally, in 2004, almost nine years and 15 exams later, Bashir got closer to practising here as a doctor. He secured a residency at McMaster. It was what he had always wanted, but he says, ?I am 33. I?ve lost nine years?almost a third of my life.?
Foreign doctors can compete with Canadian medical school graduates for residency positions, but in order to do so, they have to register with CaRMS. And there is a catch: Foreign doctors will only be considered after Canadian-trained graduates have found residency positions. They can compete in the second round?for the leftovers. The competition is stiff. In 2003, 625 international graduates competed. Only 67?about ten percent?found a position.

In every province the situation regarding residency positions varies: the number of positions available, the rules about how to get them and how long a doctor has to train. Each province sets aside a few positions for foreign doctors, but in no province is the number of residencies available equal to the number of doctors seeking to fill them.

In Manitoba, the shortage of doctors has been particularly severe. But the province recently changed its regulations, creating a new program that allows a foreign graduate to receive enhanced training for up to one year to qualify as a doctor.

Mahmoud Ebadi immigrated to Canada from Iran in 1999 with his wife and two boys. He had studied medicine at the University of Tabriz and been a GP for five years. However, both Citizenship and Immigration and the Canadian embassy in Iran warned him there were no positions for immigrant physicians in Canada. They were right.

Then, in 2001, the Manitoba government announced its new program and Ebadi was accepted. After his skills were assessed, he was told he needed to complete a one-year training program. At the end of November 2003, he finally started working as a doctor for the Burntwood Regional Health Authority in Thompson, Man. ?Four years is a long time to wait,? says Dr. Ebadi. ?But it?s fantastic to be back in practice again.?

Admitting qualified doctors makes economic sense. If a foreign-trained doctor requires additional training to come up to Canadian standards, it is far cheaper to provide it than to educate a doctor entirely from scratch. Herb Emery, an associate professor of economics at the University of Calgary, says it costs Alberta taxpayers about $300,000 to put a student through three years of medical school. This would be saved if immigrants who already have medical degrees were accepted for residencies.

Joan Atlin, executive director of the Association of International Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario, estimates that Ontario has between 2,000 and 4,000 immigrant doctors looking for a practice. ?Doctors are coming with thousands of dollars of training and experience in their pockets,? says Atlin. ?They have a right to be assessed, and if found to be qualified, they should be allowed to practise their profession.?

Patrick Coady, co-ordinator of a group that assists the Association of International Medical Doctors of British Columbia, agrees. ?We have people who have been the heads of emergency medicine in hospitals servicing a population of a million, anesthetists who have been practising for 20 years. After they pass all the exams, go through all the hoops, they can?t even mop a floor in a hospital let alone work as a medical professional.?

Vancouver MP Dr. Hedy Fry, a medical doctor and the parliamentary secretary to Citizenship and Immigration Minister Judy Sgro, believes that we have to look at fast-tracking. ?Do we always have to have doctors come in and spend a year in residency?? she asks. ?When do we start valuing foreign experience? Europe is ahead of us on this. You can be trained in Italy and work in the United Kingdom. We?re lagging.?

The Medical Council of Canada?s Dr. Dale Dauphinee is more blunt: ?We are shooting ourselves in the foot.?
 
Posted on 04-15-05 8:36 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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prem_dai - Can you help me to find a nepali who can help me in Canada. I am going there soon to land and come back to USA. Do you know anyone personally of whom I can give address to receive my green card? Your help will be greatly appreciated.
 
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You may check this out too:
http://www.readersdigest.ca/debate.html?a=v&di=148

might discourage you if you are thinking of immigrating to canada.

I think somebody already mentioned this in this discussion board that canada is considered only as a last resort to USA. You may also say back up plan to remain in N.America, or stepping stone to enter US.

I know at least 15 people who got PR, went to canada to get PR Card, and come back to US again.

Well, there got to be something good about Canada since it has its own position in world communitites. Wondering if anybody has such information to share which might show some ray of hope to frustrated immigrants, or something promising (regarding job markets).
 
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Hi there,
Yah Canadian Immigration is easire than US. Degree holders such as pharmacy, nurses etc etc can get GC easily. I have one fren he finally got canadian GC. It took more than 3 years. hmmmmmm, If you are holding degrees of demanding subject then you have high opportunity to get GC. ehehhehe
 
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Find the contact persons in the following website if you are going to Calgary. I heard they are the best.. they come to receive you at the airport... they can provide residence for almost a month free in your intial days. They are the best. So I heard. They are very well-organized, well-united and they have only one association in whole Calgary. This association is holding all the nepalese in Calgary cohesively in one single assocaition, which should be appreciated. And they have a great partnership with Nepali association of Edmonton. They are an example of how Nepalese should work together for common cause. People in these city will love to you help you out without any prejudice or motive.

- http://www.ncscalgary.ca/contact.htm

If you are going to Toronto, there are three or more associations of nepalese... Iheard they also compete to get new-comers into their associations. Visit this site for the websites of their associations. And also for other associations in other parts of Canada.

- http://nepalese.ca/nepalese/reader.php?fname=nepaleseincanada
 



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