I just wonder how many PhD holders/students are the 'yatri' of sajha. I think, we have a good number of Nepalese origin PhDs in sajha and some of them are-Nepe, Ashu, Isolated freak, O.K. I may not be necessarily talking about forming a doctoral club in sajha but sharing our experiences related to our field may help us academically and professionally and most importantly it may give us a rough estimation of doctoral Nepalese Diaspora.
I am looking forward to your opinion.

Nut

Don't you thik phd degree of Baburam Bhattaria should be stripped.... he didn't use the pretigious degree conferred to him for the good of people..... he is a murderer, although he might not have killed someone himself.. but in his leadership he must have given commands to kill people....

Therefore, his phd degree should be removed.....

Houston,
That's me me me me me. Sugga ratai ke.

PhD= Pagal Haru ko Doctor....
Look at Dr. Babu Ram Bhattarai (Hitler of Nepal, killing innocent Nepalese)... he is mad... killer... fuk up his doctoral degree...

oys bhai, congratulation for getting in Yale. good luck for your graduate school. are you thinking of doing PhD or just masters at this point.

Bengaltiger, welcome to the grad student life and good luck with it. If you find yourself in a frustrating position, do check out www.phdcomics.com

Oys Bhai, not all the Phd holders or Phd candidates are dais. Sometimes they are didis too. And of course, Congratulations in getting into Yale!

Pade Queen lala timilai kehi tha chaina :p

It appears that Oys and I are going to share the same Alumni.;)

On the more serious note; what are the financial implications; to be more precise; do the PHD graduates have significant gain in terms of "financial returns" or it is more of "symbolic achievement" over MBA graduates? Are there any direct correlation between PHD and monetary gains? If yes; is it only confined to any specific genre or field, i.e., Science, psychology, business (or even sub-category within these categories)?

Another questions looming in my head is:
Among those who pursue PHD degree, do so because they want to broaden or more appropriately narrow the "view/ specialty" in the field that they already have significant achievement/experience; OR; because they pursue the degree because the lack of it. The more appropriate expresion is; CHOICE.

What I wanted to know by throwing the word "choice" is, of course to know what motivated or played a part in their decision to "go-for-it."

Few I know (or come to know by virtue of being affiliated to someone they knew) had the following situations:

Demo A: Did not really get the job in their specific field and decided to give a shot to PHD, hoping they would have more option to attack the field they want to apply their trade.

Demo B: Worked in Nepal for several years. Unsatisfied and frustrated, PHD seemed like a gateway to America; especially a visa being almost a guarantee, once accepted from the university.

Demo C: I know once such person who actually was working DIRECTLY in his field and even then decided to go for PHD taking a sabbatical from his job. (This one is an American, thus not entirely related but nevertheless an example per se.)

Demo D: Their expertise really HAD to HAVE a doctor attached to sound more creditable and impressive so that they can actually be heard; so to speak. Genre were i.e., psychology, economics and such.

Demo E: To be in status after failing to find a job that sponsors them.

Demo F: Had a choice to go pro, directly from high school a la Lebron James; but rather decided to finish colege & go more traditional way akin to how it works back home.
" Padai sabai sakaune ani matra kaam. Padne bela ma kaam garyo bhane mind divert huncha." Yestai yestai. These are actually very bright and very studious and elite group. Some might even stereotype them as geeks; a dying breeds.

As I counted now, directly and/or more akin to guilty-by-association with their extended coterie (bhai, baini or some sort of 'nata-gota'); my exhibit above consists of 14 random samples. One friend actually provided 4 samples from his family :).

Here my curiosity and thus this talk nineteen to the dozen arise out of the one question that is gnarling in my mind; the one that begs an answer.

----- Is there real "monetary/financial gain" over MBA graduates? If any.

Lest someone accuses me on focusing too much on monetary and financial aspects of it; with due respect to symbolic, mental, and/or appealing status in academia; nine out of ten of us are here because of the financial gain this or any other western countries promises us. Also, often, regardless of one coming from "developing or failing nation/s," the bottom line is, among others, we definitively are more attracted to monetary benefits in any profession; at least in "general".

Nonetheless, it appears that it takes tremendous patience and dogged determination to go thru the never ending process of formal educational pursuits which many of us lack. Kudos to who have achieved the distinction, and good luck to those who are pursuing this. Perhaps we have many generalists from our country; thus, few more specialists would be more of a welcoming factor. I hope it does not however blur the vision and negate the ability to go beyond the confinement of their 'specific' field.

Dhe-ba aka $$$, ma chai kati badi kamaucha MBA bhanda PHD le. Any research, or random poll done to find out would be great. Who knows I might be joining the ranks 5-10 years from now; that is if I get time from changing diapers ;).
Does anyone have anything that shows some correlation please......
Hmmmmmm.....

IndisGuise:)

P.S: Ignore typos.

Indi,

>do the PHD graduates have significant gain in terms of "financial returns" or it is more of "symbolic achievement" over MBA graduates? Are there any direct correlation between PHD and monetary gains? If yes; is it only confined to any specific genre or field, i.e., Science, psychology, business (or even sub-category within these categories)?

I do not think there is a direct correlation b/w $$ and PhD. I think the desire to earn high amounts of money is long gone once you enter grad school. It is more of being a part of an elite group of people who have solved a significant problem in the area of your expertise. I know of some people who are in PhD because they do not want a 9-5 job - they are not ready for it (maybe lazy!!). Rather, they like a flexible schedule in academia.

>Among those who pursue PHD degree, do so because they want to broaden or more appropriately narrow the "view/ specialty" in the field that they already have significant achievement/experience; OR; because they pursue the degree because the lack of it.

No, you do not need to have an experience in an area that you would like to do more research in. It is more like a training where you will thoroughly understand and know the "system" in your area. At the same time you can't limit yourself to that area, but be open to anything that you can apply what you know to the new "system".

sweetP

Indi,
we can have a long long chat on Ph.D and monetary gain. Yes, PhD is all money money and money. to survive a prof has to win funding, to get tenured a prof has to win funding, to hire work horses like me/u profs have to win funding. The more funding they win the more will be their salary. Some univs only pay a part of a faculty's salaray the rest he/she have to get by winning money. A collaborator of my prof gets more than 150k per year as his salary. he writes a new proposal every 10 days -some small ones some big ones

Even to enter as a faculty the poor person needs to have won funding, otherwise, no one will take him.

Its a pretty stressful life. They also have to publish papers, otherwise there is less chance of winning funding.

Not all PhDs go to academia. They might opt for industry where they work for someone else. They will get good money. A person starting as a post-doc under a faculty does not get much. And, there is always a chance of a post doc remaining always as a post-doc.

(I don't know about arts field ko hai, at least science field ma yastai huncha)

Indisguise,

Dhewa maru kaso garu. Yata ali dhewai dine ki?

Diaper!!!!!!!!!!! Kya ho timi diaper lagauchau, buddho bhaera.

Correlation - u can start collecting data and show us the results.

PQ,

So what science u study re?

"A lot of fellows nowadays have a M.B.A, or Ph.D. Unfortunately, they don't have a J.O.B."

Source :- Unknown :)

"A lot of fellows nowadays have a B.A., M.D., or Ph.D. Unfortunately, they don't have a J.O.B."
Source :- Unknown :)

USOFA,

Not MD.

An excerpt of a conversion I had with a fren last week.

- Kaha Chha Rame?
- Rame Ph D Gardai Chha.
- Smart Thyo Jasto Lagya Thyo, Payena Kaam?

After a year of job hopping Rame went in UT for PhD, felt sorry for him.

went TO :)

Thanks SweetP ;). Ok all right, Just thanks.
"I think the desire to earn high amounts of money is long gone once you enter grad school. It is more of being a part of an elite group of people who have solved a significant problem in the area of your expertise."
--> Desire to earn high amounts long gone SweetP? Dosro chai kehi had samma or more of less sahi na hola. But First part chai hajam bhayena hai malai.
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Pade Queen,
"we can have a long long chat on Ph.D and monetary gain."
-Literally? :)
"he writes a new proposal every 10 days -some small ones some big ones "
--> Maa kasama America aa sarai dherai natak baji cha hai. Hawa chaleko pani proposal, padeko pani proposal; from why dogs bark-to- why people fart ;). No silly, am not sayoing he does that too. Just sayin you know.Kura ko kuro ni; yeuta.
Kati dhewa ra kata ? I hope the figure would match my capability. Hehe. And that diaper would be of one of my team member of my would be football-team. Mero bharra bhuurreee haru ko ke. Kya manche;).

Anyways, is there anyone who have gone for PHD in business field and survived to tell us what they are doing and how it has affected their life; positive or otherwise. What are the scopes? Now that would be something to talk about. Anyone out there????????????? Hellooooooooooooooo..

IndisGuise:)

Pade queeen No. 1 ko money money money and funding issue I liked it very much, you are right guy its all about money what will stand for, but don't you think this money business is also bringing kehi na kehi new kind of findings in scientific field.
By the wa my boss needs one more PhD candidate, anybody wanna apply?

http://www.neuroanatomie.uni-goettingen.de/Stellen/Stellen.htm

AJK

indisguise जी को कुरा बुजे मारिदिनु . PH.D गर्ने हरुको कुरै बुजन गारो .

my personal opinion,
phd inversely proportional to money
one has to spend at least 5 yrs. after bachelors to attain it. Even if you make $50k/yr after bachelors. Consider all the benefits. 401k etc etc... to recoup the loss in 5 yrs... approx $300k ... it would take almost 9 yrs provided after one gets $100k job after Phd. and the original person is still at $50k. THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN. FOR MONEY ONE NEED NOT HAVE PHD. BAD CHOICE. LOT OF WAYS TO MAKE MONEY.

getting a PHD symbolizes patience,perseverance and hard work.[my 2 cents]

indi,
i think your demo A and E are out of sync. one has various way to be in status .. does not have to choose a hard way. they could have indian consultants sponsor them; can lease/sublease a business and make money... GOING FOR PHD FOR A SAKE of status may really be a WRONG REASON. just my 2 cents.. i mean you are giving up 5-7 years of your life for just to stay in US [ i am assuming it being US] and for a wrong reason..... i am sure it will come to haunt one later in life