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 Solidarity to Newar’s struggle for Cultural Rights.

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Posted on 09-22-08 12:28 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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It is not right of anybody to come out against ethnic groups just because the administration tried to look away from you. It is the administration - the people in administration, and not the ethnic group that needs to be chased. There were lot of Newars supporting Maoist during the 12 years old struggle, those people need to be dragged out in amidst and asked to protest against the decision made by their administration.

I believe there would be a wide spread support from all walks of life and from all ethnic backgrounds to preserve Newari Culture-the prominent culture in Kathmandu valley,  but please do not bring out the racial and ethnic issues. There would be no difference between the madhesi demand for Madhesh Land and Newar’s demand for Cultural rights if the ethnic and racial issues are at stake. And the ultimate winners would be the ones trying to destabilize, disintegrate and ultimately wipe out the existence of Nepal.

So let us be united and think wise. Let us bring the country back to the track and prove that Nepalese are not just a heard of sheep. Let us show that we can rise to the occasion. And let us say “I support Newar’s Fight for Cultural Rights in Kathmandu.”


 
Posted on 09-23-08 4:46 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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AS A SIGNATORY OF ICESCR (08-21-2001) NEPAL IS OBLIGED TO PROTECT, PROMOTE AND IMPLEMENT ECONOMIC, SOCIAL AND CULTURAL RIGHTS.

SEE THE OTHER POSTING FOR DETAILS OF THE INTERNATIONAL INSTRUMENT.

HIGHLIGHTS:

  • everyone may enjoy his economic, social and cultural rights, as well as his civil and political rights,
  • All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

 
Posted on 09-23-08 5:03 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Nepalsite,

First of all, your statement clearly shows that you want to make fun of newars above anyoneelse. During these times, government took the land from anyone they want. Didn't you hear that "Diyalo Banglow" was made on the land of other people, and they never even cared to transfer the ownership of land? Why did these people could never speak? Don't dare to say that it's only newars who couldn't speak? Noone could speak during panchayat era except a bunch of politicians.

Do you want to impose your violent (mao likes) philosophy on everyone, and you consider everyone as having no guts if they refuse to pick up the gun? I've nothing further to say to you if you see the country as your "wild jungle", and you want to live as animals in your "real jungle".


 
Posted on 09-23-08 5:06 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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nepalisite,

"...Newars are too civilized and domesticated for the current Nepali political scenario. They better do something about it before their whole identity is wiped out."

it looks like you are calling on newars more than any one else to stand up for their rights. That is absolutely what we are doing here praising and supporting them for standing up for their rights.

in another context you talk about Nepal sambhat rallies and how newars are keeping quite. It is not that newars are completely keeping quite about this, they are working towards preserving culture in other ways than you and i can imagine and I praise their sincere efforts. Coming out with guns, killings and Nepal Bands every day is now how you show you are serious about things (if you think so, good luck).

And yes "That's like asking the current government to reverse the takeover of kathmandu valley by p.n. shah. It's not happening, it's not gonna happen and it's an unfeasible and nonsensical talk. Your whole premise becomes void because of that statement."

Kathmandu valley take over is a different story compared to reversing decision made by goverment. If the red tag maoist label can be removed, if we as a nepalese can demand to revise the treaty made in 1950, what makes you think that the Newars can't demand to reverse the decision made by the government yesterday?

Pictures were great.. but i wish it was less voilent.


 
Posted on 09-23-08 7:18 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Bahuns and Chettris destroyed Nepal and future of loyal Nepalese.


 
Posted on 09-23-08 7:35 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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nepalsite pakhe,

hana kasari US pugis hauuu!! tero sukeko chaak chilayo.

this is not an attack to newari culture only but a slap to indigenous tribes and their cultures. tero ke culture cha bihari dhoti???


 
Posted on 09-24-08 3:22 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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B.Coffee we differ, not so much in principle (we both agree the importance of culture (Indra Jatra here) and we both have similar thoughts on animal sacrifice), but in the way we would like the government and other stakeholders to have handled the situation (and how such incidents should be handled in the future). I have given rough (not expert) but a set of ideas/alternatives on how to slove this problem and how to avoid such problems in future. You too could see yourself as a problem solver. And you have 2 clear suggestions. One- the govenment should fund (we agree here in parts). Two- if the govenment does not fund, give the land back.

  I am unaware about the govrnment and the guthis' land deal. I know that private individuals have encroached upon guthi and temple lands but I am not aware about government incursion. I should not be saying "incursion" because as you put it, it was more of a deal. So I have some question to you. How much land did the guthis give up? For how many years? When did this agreement take place? What were the exact terms and conditions besides funding?Now, for a moment let's assume that guthis (associated with Indra Jatra) get their lands back. Will they be able to self finance Indra Jatra? Finally, is this the best solution?

The lands that were taken probably are already in use. May be the plots have been used to make the roads wider (hence increasing the real estate value of the community) or some community facility (eg Police Station again benefitting of the community) must already have been built. Again, as long as these properties have been used in benefit of the community, I don't see a problem there (as apposed to private encroachment) and I can't understand why some of you are fuming and thinking great injustice has been done to the community. Surely, the lands are not lying idle. Giving back the land is very unlikely to happen.

Why not look forward?

 

 


 
Posted on 09-24-08 5:41 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Hey, if there was a deal between the guthis and the government, maybe the guthis could sue the government for not respecting the agreement.
 
Posted on 09-24-08 6:17 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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TO BC

Regarding your response "ok then GIVE BACK ALL THE LANDS THAT WAS ENGULFED BY THE GOVT SO THAT THEY CAN FUND THEIR OWN FESTIVALS. THE DEAL WAS TO FUND FESTIVALS IN RETURN FOR LAND------> AND NOW THEY WANT TO TAKE THAT AWAY TOO ? THE QUESTION HERE IS FOR FUNDS NOT ANIMAL SACRIFICES. THEY TOOK ALL THE LANDS FROM GUTHIS IN RETURN FOR FUNDING THESE FESTIVALS ABA AYERA NA GUTHI KO LAND CHA NA GOVT LEY PAISA DIYAA CHA. That is like giving the middle finger to newari society."

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"Yeah again GIVE BACK ALL OF THE LAND THAT THE GOVT. TOOK FROM NEWARI GUTHIS THEN WE CAN TALK"

Instead of countering my points, u have raised a whole different issue and diverted the scope of debate. It is very distracting. I think i have written above regarding guthi land and government. I don't know much about it but i know ur way will not slove the problem. it will create new ones. the cost of handing back outweights the advantages. Once again, Idon't see why u don't like the idea of local community and local government to have more decision making power to local fares like festivals and jatras that are best known and understood by the local people, not lawmakers in Sighadurbar. I also don't understand why u don't like my point when I say the Central government should keep its distance from detail discussions of issues that unique to a demography.  My theory was fund but stay quiet. Let the lower levels work out the details.  

Regarding ur comparision with NYC to Katmandu regarding budget allocation is childish. Dude KTM has been getting the most budget already. Historically, it has been getting the most. Don't u know that we have been trying to move away from "KTM"-centric problem solving mentality? More Nepalese tax money goes here and has been the case since the conception of budgeting in Nepal. Unlike KTM,  NYC is much more independent. They are affluent and pay more taxes and tarrifs, get less from Federal Government, yet keep on thiving. And that is the point i am trying to make. Become affluent and be less dependent on central government for local needs and for local fares. I don't think NYC would ask for whole lot of Federal $$$ to fund their "Little Italy" Fiesta or other significant day that part of the NYers celebrate for historic and cultural reason.  Let's also be careful to compare KTM and NYC because Nepal and US are very different like apple and orange, not necessarily in that order though!

Government has limited resources (which in any case is a scarce commodity). So I proposed an affirmitive action type of plans for guthis, and wadas or VDCs to host the festivals/jatras, keeping in mind that all guthis and wadas/VDCs are not alike. Some are doing relatively well to others. So governemnt should fund accordingly channeling money from Central level(Finance Ministry) to High level  (Ministry of Culture) to District-level (Municipality/VDC) to Local level (Wada/VDC) to community (Guthi or other organizers). Information flows both ways. Resonsibilites are shared and authority is decentralized. 

I think it is a better solution than "give the land back and then we talk" type of solution.

 


 


 
Posted on 09-24-08 8:49 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Live Wire,"Again, as long as these properties have been used in benefit of the community, I don't see a problem there (as apposed to private encroachment) and I can't understand why some of you are fuming and thinking great injustice has been done to the community. Surely, the lands are not lying idle. Giving back the land is very unlikely to happen."

At the expense of Newari community and their rich heritage & demise of their festivals ? he he I am also for benefit of the community without shortchanging or isolating any one community. Otherwise you just might have another rebellion in hand. Well if giving the land is unlikely to happen than keep funding the festivals. TYO CHII PANI LINEY PAPA PANI LINEY REY ANI NEWRI COMMUNITY KO HAATH MA LADDOOO RA PEDHAA ? And you think its fair and unbiased ? Man gimme a break. Just look forward to a total chaos with your ideals.

Livewire," I don't know much about it but i know ur way will not slove the problem. it will create new ones. the cost of handing back outweights the advantages."

What do you think wil hapen if you do not do something about this ? sO JUST BECAUSE OF THE COST OF HANDLING THIS IS TOO MUCH SO STIFF THE NEWARI COMMUNITY THEN HUH !! Wow that is a discerning solution to look forward to.

 
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Livewire,

Let me explain something about Guthis. Newaris for hundreds of years had an endowment system just like the universities, hospitals, and charities in the US. For example, each community, temple, etc. had separate endowment funds or Guthis. The income from these endowment funds were used to fund jatras, festivals, and for upkeep of temples, palaces, and public resthouses. The assets of these endowment funds were mostly agriculturual lands and real estate land in prime locations that were donated by people or Malla kings. In the simplest form, this endowment system is called Guthis.

When Shah kings took over valleys, they took over a lot of these properties of Guthis. Later, Mahendra nationalised rest of the Guthis. However, transfer of Guthi land by corrupt government officials continued. Newaris always have had discontent over this issue but this came to forefront only after Maoist Government provoked it by canceling fundings for Indrajatra. Newaris were upset that first of Govt took the Guthi land away and second they are refusing to pay for what the Guthis were intended for. I do not think this issue will go away soon now.

I think the best solution would be:

1) Return Guthis to private trusts and Guthi Sansthan could just be regulatory body instead of custodian. The income from these land and real estate will be used to fund the community activities and Newari traditions, that are intended to benefit from Guthis.

2) If the Guthi land is being used to build hosptials, schools, universities, colleges, police station, give credit to original Guthis for those insitutions. Give a board representation to members of these Guthi/community whose land was used it for. In addtion, Government should give alternative funding / continue providing expenses to these Guthis since the original purpose of these Guthis were for the local community and they should be compensated.

3) If Guthi land is being used by Government corporations for free or nominal amount, then give shares of those companies to the original Guthis. The income generated would be used for community activities or Guthis can sell their shares to start a new endowment fund.

4) Form an investigation committee to investigate any Guthi property that were transferred illegally to private parties. If it is practical, give the Guthi land back to original Guthi to benefit those it was intended to benefit. If the Guthi land has changed hands several times and are too fragmented and too expensive to get back, get the reasonable compensation from the original abusers and current users (who are benefitting from the use of the land). Use that compensation to create a new fund.

This way, first, Government will not have to pay for any festivals and rituals of any specific ethnic group as you pointed out. Second, Guthi land and property donated by our ancestors for common good of local community and to protect our tradition would be used for what it was intended for.


 
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काठमाडौको करोडौ रुपैया पर्ने जग्गाहरु नीजि स्वामित्त्वमा थिएन, सामुहिक स्वामित्त्वमा थियो, गुथिको नाउँमा थियो । यस्तो सामुहिक स्वामित्त्वको जग्गा किनबेच गर्न मिल्दैनथ्यो, खेति किसानी गर्न मिल्थ्यो, घर बनाउन पनि मिल्दैन थ्यो ।

धुर्त बाहुनहरुले त्यस्तो जग्गा हडप्न अनेक जुक्ति लगाए । कहिँ अधिग्रहण गरेर हडपे, कहिँ मोहिले गुठि संस्थानमा तिरो तिरेर रैकर बनाउन सक्ने ब्यवस्था ल्याए, परम्परा सञ्चालन गर्न गुठिसंस्थानले जिम्मा लिने भुलभुलैया जाल बुने, र सामुहिक स्वामित्त्वको जग्गा निजि जग्गामा परिणत गर्न उक्साए, जुन जग्गा त्यसपछि लोभलालच देखाएर सस्तो मुल्यमा किने । आज करोडौ करोड पर्ने जग्गाको मालिक स्थानिय भुमिपुत्र ज्यापु हैन कोइ राणा शाह का नातेदारहरु धेरै छन, सेना र प्रशासनका हाकिम बाहुन क्षत्रिहरु धेरै छन । तिनको करोडौ करोड पर्ने जग्गाको इतिहास हेर्ने हो भने दर्दनाक छ । थापाथलिको सिप्रदी ट्रेडिङ वरपर आनाको ८५-९० लाख पर्ने जग्गा जङ्गबहादुरका सन्ततिले स्थानिय ज्यापुसित लुटेर लिएका थिए । पशुपति र स्वयम्भुको ५०सौ हजार रोपनि जग्गा कसरी गायब भयो कसरी रैकर भयो र कसरी निजी भयो भन्ने कसैलाइ थाहा छैन । पाटन बंगलामुखि मन्दिरको शंखमुल वरिपरी रहेको जग्गा जुन अहिले रोपनीको २ देखि ४ करोड हाराहारी मुल्य पर्छ ती जग्गाहरु रोपनिको २००० रुप्यामा स्थानीय ज्यापुहरुसित किनेको रे । अब थाहा भयो, गाँठी कुरा ?

अब अहिले आफ्नै जग्गा करोडौ करोड मुल्यमा जाँदा, आफ्नो श्रमले भिजेको जमिनमाथि अरुले रजगज गरेर मनग्य फाइदा उठाएको देख्दा, र चिप्लो शब्दजालमा ठगिएको महशुस गर्नु पर्दा आँखाभरी आँशु टिलपिल गरेर रुनुसिवाय ज्यापुसित केहि उपाय छैन । हिजो के कस्ता कुरा गरेर लुटुपुटु गरे, त्यो कुरा सम्झेपछि सरकारसित, गुठि संस्थानका बाहुनहरुसित आक्रोश नजन्मिकन संगीत जन्मिन्छ त ?

 

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नेवारसित हडपेको जग्गा फेरी किनेर बस्ने कुरो छोड्नोस, सरकारले हामीलाइ चाहिने बजेटको ब्यवस्था नगरेर त हेरोस, गुथिको जग्गा एक एक खोसेर लिइन्छ, यो कुरो नोट गरीराख्नुस । तपाइ आफ्नो घर जग्गा काठमाँडौमा छ भने एउटा मित्रवत सुझाव - अहिले नै जाँचबुझ गर्नुस त्यो जग्गा गुथिको पो थियो कि ? त्यतिबेला पैसामा बिक्यो कि घेराबन्दिमा पार्यो कि झुक्कायो कि यी कुराहरु जसलाइ परेको छ त्यसैले जान्दछ ।

मेरो आफ्नै जग्गामा के भयो तपाइलाइ भन्छु । हाम्रो घरायसि वंशावलीमा फेला परेअनुसार आठपुस्ता देखि हामीले भोगचलन गर्दै आएको जग्गा छ, २-३ बर्ष अगाडि त्यो जग्गाको लालपुर्जा बोकेर एउटा खड्का भन्ने मान्छे आयो, जग्गा छोड रे , खेतमा धान रोप्ने समय थियो, लखेटेर गोदगाद पारीयो । अहिले मुद्दा हाल्या छ । घुस सुस ख्वाइन्न मु्द्दा घिटिघिटि छ, एउटा सिकारु वकिललाइ पैसा सैसा दिन सक्दिन लड्ने भए लड भनेर छोडेको छु, तारीख धाउने फुर्सद छैन । मु्द्दा त हारोस न्यायाधिसलाइ गएर काटिन्छ सिधै । मनमा आक्रोश यति छ कि तपाइले मेरो कमेण्टबाट थाहा पाउनु भयो होला ।

माथि भनेको जग्गा निजि जग्गा हो, श्रीपञ्चमि गुथिको एक टुक्रो जग्गा हामी सानो हुँदा नै कुन चाहिले लुटेर खाएछ, बाजेले सुनाउन मात्र सक्नु भयो, के कसरी त्यस्तो भयो केहि थाहा छैन । बाजे बित्नु अगाडि एकपल्ट हेर्न जाँदा ६ आना जतिको सानो टुक्रा रहेछ । काकाहरुले होस हामीसित कागजपत्र छैन मुद्दा लड्न सकिन्न भनेर छोड्ने कुरा गर्नु भयो, त्यतिकै छोडियो । हामी जन्मिनुभन्दा धेरै अगाडि २०२२ सालतिर नापि हुँदा धेरै गोलमाल गरेको छ रे भन्ने हामीले थाहा पायौ । छिमेकको बाजे एकजना, जो आफै मालपोतमा खरदार हुनुहुन्थ्यो उहाँकै गुथिको १६ रोपनि जग्गा अर्कैले उडाइदिएछ, उहाँले समयमै चाल पाएर त्यसलाइ बचाउनु त भयो तर त्यसको लागि २० वर्ष मुद्दा लड्नु पर्यो, मर्नु ६ महिना अगाडि उहाँले त्यो जीत जिन्दगिको सबभन्दा ठुलो खुशी भन्नुभयो हामीसित । त्यसैले यो कुरो तपाइले यहाँ यति हल्का तरीकाले उल्लु भन्याजति हल्का छैन । यो एउटा ठुलो सामाजिक समस्या बनेर बस्यो, तर आन्दोलन र दवावको राजनीति गर्न नखोज्दा यसको पीडा बर्षौबर्षसम्म बाहिर आएन । अब आउँला केहि, केहि यतिकै विलाउला । तर यो सेलाउनेवाला छैन ।

 

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हो भन्या, काठमाडौको सरकारी कार्यालयहरु, विश्वविद्यालयहरु बाहिर सार्ने लैजाओ, त्यतातिर पनि काठमाडौ जस्तै बनाओ भनेर नेवारहरु कराएको कराऐ छ, तर सरकारले गर्ने नै होइन ।

तपाइलाइ थाहा छ, त्रिवि केन्द्रीय क्याम्पसले ओगटेको जग्गा अधिकांश बाघभैरव गुथिको हो । त्यहाँबाट क्याम्पस हटाऊ जग्गा फिर्ता गर भनेर कैयौ पटक आन्दोलन भएको छ, तर सरकार किन अटेर गरेर बस्छ ?

सिंहदरवार क्षेत्र र अनामनगरले ओगटेको धेरै ठाऊँ भद्रकाली मन्दीर गुथिको हो । त्यहाँबाट यो पनि हटाउनु पर्यो भन्ने माग नेवारहरुको छ, तर राणाशासनमा हडपेको हुनाले आन्दोलन गर्ने स्थीति त्यो बेला बनेन, पछि दोस्रो तेस्रो पुस्ताले क्रमैसित बिर्सिन पनि थाले । लौ न यो पनि माग जोडदार उठाउँ । जहाँ लगेर राख्नु पर्ने हो राख, सिंहदरवार काठमाडौलाइ चाहिएन, अन्तै लैजाओ ।

यस्तो उदाहरण कति छ कति ? लौ न यी सवै हटाउनु पर्यो । छिटो हटाऊ ।

 

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के पैसा नभएर सरकारको मुख ताकेर बसेको भन्ठानेको ? पैसा नाथे के हो र? यो जात्रामा एउटा होर्डिङ बोर्ड मात्रै स्पोन्सर गराउने हो भने पनि १५-२० लाख रुपैया तिर्न जो पनि तयार छ । यो जात्राको लागि पैसा चाहियो भनेर चन्दा मात्र उठाउने हो भने पनि २४ घन्टामा २४ करोड चन्दा उठाउने क्षमता पनि छ नेवारहरु सित, धाक दिएको नठान्नु होला । तर त्यो स्रोत गौण विषय हो, मुख्य विषय राज्यले हाम्रो संस्कृति संरक्षणमा दायित्व निर्वाह गर्यो कि गरेन भन्ने हो । पैसाको निमित्त कसको मुख ताक्यो भन्ने हैन ।

यो जात्रामा सरकार दायित्वबाट च्युत भयो र सांस्कृतिक खर्चलाइ अनावश्यक फजुल खर्च भनेर यसको अवमुल्यन गर्यो, आपत्ति त्यहाँ छ ।

तपाइलाइ थाहा छ ? भक्तपुरको जात्रामा सरकारले ३३ पैसा दाम चढाउने परम्परा छ । यो परम्परा शायद २०० वर्ष पुरानो होला, त्यो ३३ पैसाले के गर्जो टर्छ ? तर पनि त्यो पैसा लिने परम्परा पछाडि साँस्कृतिक अधिकार रक्षामा राज्यकोषको लगानिलाइ प्रतिनिधित्व गर्छ, त्यसैले त्यो परम्परा अझै जिवित छ ।

 

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२००० मा बेचेको जग्गा २-४ करोड पुगेकोले फिर्ता गर भनेको हैन बन्धु, छलकपट गरेर अन्यायपुर्वक २००० दाम फालेर जग्गामाथि अनधिकृत स्वामित्त्व कमाएकाहरुमाथि त्यो नाजायज स्वामित्त्व परित्याग गर भनेको हो । सुकुम्बासिले भोगचलन गरेको जग्गा होस, वा जसको जोत उसको पोत भन्ने नारा होस, त्यहाँ पनि यस्तै स्वामित्त्व परीत्याग गर्ने कुरो नै मूल आधार हो । सार्वजनिक जग्गा सुकुम्बासीलाइ दिने भए सरकारले स्वामित्त्व परित्याग गरेको न ठहर्छ, जमिन्दारको जग्गा खोसेर बाँड्ने भए निजि स्वामित्त्व परित्याग गरेको न ठहर्छ, इतिहासमा यस्तो कति भएको छ कति । भुमिसुधार भन्ने राजनीतिक नारा नै यस्तै किसिमले स्वामित्त्व परित्याग गराउने नीतिमा आधारीत छ । त्यस्ता मागहरु सबैले राख्न पाएकै छ, स्वामित्त्व परित्याग गर भन्न सबैले पाएकै छ । ती मागहरुमा मानिसहरु आफ्नो ब्यक्तिगत फाइदाको लागि लडेका छन । बरु यहाँको यो माग कसैको ब्यक्तिगत फाइदाको निमित्त उठाइएको होइन । बरु सांस्कृतिक धरोहर रक्षणार्थ पुर्खाले राखिछोडेका जग्गा र सदाहार आयश्रोतमाथि नाजायज स्वामित्त्व हासिल गरेका लोभिपापि र समाजका दुष्ट चुसाहाहरुलाइ तत्ततत्त जग्गाको स्वामित्व छोड भनेको पो हो । भाउ बढेर २-४ करोड पुगोस वा २-४ अरब, ती जग्गाहरु नेवारले जरुर खोस्ने छ एकदिन, गुथिको जग्गामा मोजमस्ति गर्नेहरुलाइ चेतना भया ।

 

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"एउटा होर्डिङ बोर्ड मात्रै स्पोन्सर गराउने हो भने पनि १५-२० लाख रुपैया तिर्न जो पनि तयार छ । यो जात्राको लागि पैसा चाहियो भनेर चन्दा मात्र उठाउने हो भने पनि २४ घन्टामा २४ करोड चन्दा उठाउने क्षमता पनि छ नेवारहरु सित, धाक दिएको नठान्नु होला ।" -- यो भनाइ मा मेरो पूर्ण सहमाती छ ............    नेवार हरु एस्को लागि सामार्थ छ


 
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Live Wire,"More Nepalese tax money goes here and has been the case since the conception of budgeting in Nepal."

KTM also pays the biggest chunk of taxes for Nepal. Cause in remote area the do not have the policing like they do who come knocking at the doors if you don't pay the taxes.

Livewire,"Unlike KTM,  NYC is much more independent. They are affluent and pay more taxes and tarrifs, get less from Federal Government, yet keep on thiving. And that is the point i am trying to make."

The welfare syatem of NYC is still sunsidised by the federal govt. disaster management is stil subsidised by federal govt. homland security is still subsidised by federal govt. unemployment is still subsidised by federal govt. they do get back what they put in taxes.

Livewire,"I don't think NYC would ask for whole lot of Federal $$$ to fund their "Little Italy" Fiesta or other significant day that part of the NYers celebrate for historic and cultural reason."

ha ha ha Little Italy festivals are all Cahtolic Church related and are tax free. They have the Italian community who fund these through the Tax free bracket and the $$ also comes from Faith based charities from the Federal govt.

 
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Live wire when you say you want to hand it down to local govt. you are basically saying YOU DO NOT WANT TO DEAL WITH IT. OR that You are above it... and are basically Passing the BUck to the local govts. Afirmative action blah blah blah is all good in writing but problem is the shit is about to hit the fan. he he

 
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oie muji jyapu haru ....kati karai rakheko??pustakari banauna ja muji haru
 
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Yo saba kura uthe ko bhairahe ko kura lai bigarna khojer...

"Ti maobadi haru ko buddi chaina ki kya ho"

or is it a planned "sajish"--english world nai aayen ...

i don't see people based on theri ethincity. i don't know who is what..i know they are nepali and that identity is enough for me to differentiate between right or wrong...

Maobadi le je gare ek dum galat gare...tini haru le kahile k po thik garya chana ra......sajha ma j bhai raacha yo pani ek dum galat bhai raacha...come on u guys,,,yo racism band gara........don't point out any particular ethincity group...


 



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