When i was a kid (or when i was in Nepal), i used to believe in God. I did however have reservations on religion but i still believed in God. Its been a year in US now and having met people from other cultures, the existence of a supreme being doesnt make sense anymore. 

I think that believeing in GOd instills in a person faith, confidence and positivity to get through good times and be appreciative of the bad ones. I want my children to have these qualities so i dont want to tell them that GOd doesnt exist. Moreover, i cant imagine what my parents/relatives will make of me when i talk to them about this. It isnt going to be pretty. 

It does give me great discomfort to think about all this. I must admit i feel less confident and more pessimistic these days. I want to believe in God but my logic doesnt give in anymore. In fact, i get irritated when i hear things like "God COMMANDED you to.." "GOd will PUNISH you if..", "We are SERVANTS in from of Him" "(on Christianity): "Jesus died on the cross for you"(THere are many who have made a similar magnitude of sacrifice). 

I think that God and religion are ancient theories that havent been discarded yet. And it hasnt due to the fear in people of what might happen if they didnt. One of my teachers once said "if there is no god and you believe in god, there is no harm but if there is god and you dont believe in god, there is harm". i feel this and cultural and social stigmas lead people to be religious and not question their beliefs. 

I wanna know what you guys make of this.

 homey ji,
so you recommend chaurey to go to Budhanilkantha, and Krishna Mandir? why not to Mecca in Saudi Arabia, or to the Vatican in Rome? Are you being biased towards gods? no good! 
And you consider him "fool" to believe that PNS existed, and God does not? Apparently we have a stark difference here regarding our definition of intelligence or foolishness.   

Chaurey,

If documents are what you are looking for proof, read the Bhagavad-gita. Read the Mahabharat. Heck, read the whole Vedas for crying out loud. I don't think the world lacks literature. What are you complaining for?

I want to know how deep your search for God was. Where all did you search for him? Or did you just trust other people to do your homework for you? You seem like a lazy kind of person who doesn't want to read the books and literature out there and you don't want to go to places like mandirs. And you want to sit at home, with your eyes closed, smoking ganja and simply crying and complaining "booo hoo hoo...there is no God, there is no god."

Stop being a cry-baby and go do your homework!

homey ji,

are you talking about the same bhagwat geeta  that tells us "whatever happens, happens for good" .....do you think a nepali prostitute sold in bombay would have the same belief that whatever is happening to her is happening for good? is god in your mind playing pick and  choose, choosing the fortunate ones and leaving these prostitutes, rape victims, murder victim, molestation victims etc to fend for themselves?

anyway am i supposed to read these books because they have evidence of proof of god's existence? and how and where does it provide any concrete proof? can you specify please. If you want me to read these books on the account of having me build a moral base then i don't need these mythological fictious tales to tell me how i should live my life. My moralitly and ethics and the way i live my life comes from my own self and not from any fictious work. More so bhagwat geeta, mahabharat, ramayan comprises of mythological stories than reality (if any).  Why should i not follow bible and quaran for that matter as the poster below me has said.
Let me assure you, i have been to mandirs (being raised in a hindu family),church, gurudwara and gumba...none of those places to date have any proof of existence of god....it's like people talk all the philosopical BS that can be taught without the help of a GOD figure....
you are completely avoiding the question of proof of existence of GOD.....

homey ji,
is Gita and the Ved better than the Bible and the Kuran? If yes on what basis?
Should we or should we not eat beef? 
Please enlighten me.

Homeji

Your comment on verirying Prithvi narayan shah is not contextual in this discussion at all.

PNS is just another common human being who happened to be born in royal family so he had back up of army and he killed a lot of people and captured a lot of towns. What is there to be amazed and beholded by someone who had performed everything dictated by the laws of physics and the laws of life?

There is no leap of faith needed to believe that some other human being existed at some point in history.

What does require a leap of faith is to believe that there is an all powerful God that created everything. Most religiously fanatic people have one thing in common - they don't have a firm base or understanding of life so in order to explain the reason for their life they have to believe in God to feel good about themselves by believing they are part of a something big and divine instead of facing the reality that they are only akin to a nameless, existenceless insect that roams the earth and who can be stepped onto and it's life breath taken away without any hue and cry that is felt during one's ego centric existence as human being due to the higher level of intelligence we have.

In my opinion having to take a leap of faith to believe in God shows that you are an insecure perso who cannot appreciate reality.

Chaurey is right, there is no proof of God at all. If you ask him to read the Gita or other religious books then you indeed have no clue sir. Why don't you read the book of cinderella and believe that your pumpkin wll turn into a chariot. Those books are just stories and just because you don't know who the author you can't attribute it to some devine writing.

Back in those days people had nothing better to do than try to come up with some stories to try to control and own others.

Well let me tell you my brother steak with medium rare or well done is appreciated everywhere!even the pandits wish we would offer them a juicy ribeye or t bone. That's my view about religion........

Chaurey,

Can you remain focussed on the topic instead of talking from all sides of your mouth please? It is no wonder you cannot find proof of God. Dude, you have no focus. Stay focussed, at least. Please. Otherwise what hope is there for you to find god? Shoot, you won't even find your pencil next to you without focus.

OK. So I am still waiting to hear back from you about your proof of Prithvi Narayan Shah. You can't even provide proof of this mythical character that people created out of a need for security named Prithvi Narayan Shah, and you expect to look for God?

Ha ha ha.

My friend, Prithvi Narayan Shah is a myth. He is like Robin Hood. It was a myth that was created just to scare weak-minded Nepalese like you. It was to inspire some Nepalese while scaring other ones. Wake up and smell the flowers, my friend.

Also, Santa-claus is not real. The tooth fairy is also real. Knowing how gullible you are, all this might be news to you.

 homey ji,
i tried hard no to laugh at your profile picture of the clown but your utterly idiotic, bizzare, rubbish thoughts left me with no choices. 
ROTFL 

go out and do some research.......disprove the official Nepali history that says PN shah was a king that really existed.... if you provide "EVIDENCE" based on your research you have the ability to change the official history of NEPAL and thereby change my mind....BUT what does that  do to the underlying argument of proof of existence of GOD? absolutely nothing......without evidence your point of PN shah's non existence and tryig to relate that to being the same argument as NO proof of existence of GOD is absolutely nuts!

GOD's existence  is NOT a historically verified truth..... your way of comparing belief in GOD's existence vs PN Shah's existence is NOT the same. There has never been any verification or official account and/or evidence that GOD ever existed or exists..

Chaurey,

Talk rationally. What is not the same?

homeyji is a religious fanatic

 lol @ Prithvi Narayan Shah is a myth. What medications have you been taking off late, Homeyji? 

homey ji,

you need to open your mind as well it seems....

your argument:

PN shah is not real (not verified, evidence of existence in official historic transcripts of NEPAL)  NOT EQUAL TO my argument GOD is not real (No evidence provided so far)
we have the ability to measure PN shah's existence that can be verified/not-verified Vs god's existence ??? what measure is there that  provides proof?  point me to the "evidence" and "proof"of god being real..... give me a chance to refute your argument that god exists.

Homey ji,

is your great grand dad alive? just for examples sakes if he is my apologies, if not....can you prove that he ever existed?
for that matter anyone who ever lived in past ever existed?

Chaurey,

You are starting to sound really confused with all your whining. Please, focus.

You said this. These are your words. Are you going to start denying this also?
"Your way of comparing belief in GOD's existence vs PN Shah's existence is NOT the same."

So tell me what is Not the same. Why do you feel that you are so much more entitled to your knowledge of PN Shah than I am of God? Where do you get the arrogance to make these ridiculous claims of PN Shah being a real human being and not just the mythical character of folklore that he was?

All the facts you are citing is really making me question your grasp on reality, my friend. I'm worried about you.

worry about yourself brah.....you don't have a shred of evidence on existence of god and all you have done is beat around the bush....if you had any evidence you should bring it now...sorry im worried about your inability to differentiate between what's  real and what's imaginary :)

Look Chaurey,

This is what happened to Prithvi Narayan Shah. This is exactly how the myth of Prithvi Narayan Shah circulated all over Nepal. This is exactly how Jung Bahadur Rana proved that he had royal lineage to gullible Nepalese like you, and Nepalese believed the myth of the Rana's royalty for over a hundred years. (Heck, some Nepalese like you might still believe they are of royal lineage.) They are not, my friend. Jung Bahadur Rana's royal lineage was created by him. It was very deliberate.

The same happened to Prithvi Narayan Shah that is associated with real places like Gorkha palace. Every good myth has all those elements. But that doesn't mean you should believe everything you read, my friend. Robin Hood also has been linked with many real villages and places. But it is not real.

Really, I want to give a hug to you. I feel so bad for you that no one explained all these things to you. Here read this:



The early ballads link Robin Hood to identifiable real places and many are convinced that he was a real person, more or less accurately portrayed. A number of theories as to the identity of "the real Robin Hood" have their supporters. Some of these theories posit that "Robin Hood" or "Robert Hood" or the like was his actual name; others suggest that this may have been merely a nickname disguising a medieval bandit perhaps known to history under another name.^[21] One historian has claimed Robin Hood was a pseudonym by which the ancient Lords of Wellow, Nottinghamshire were once known.^[22] It is interesting that the village has such a strong connection with maypole celebrations, considering Robin Hood's links with the same thing.

oh wow very convincing....i think you just altered the history of Nepal single handedly..i would have referred your name for Gorkha dakchin bahu but then i guess maybe one alu ko takma is more real to you than any takma that has been named after an imaginary  place called Gorkha ...let me know when they publish the new history book....

going back to the original argument that this proves evidence of existence of god how exactly??

 What is the difficulty in understanding Homeyji's arguments?

I agree, it is people's arrogance that keeps them very narrowminded and unwilling to accept, despite there being ample proof. The thing is, Homeyji, that people feel that discovering God is cheap.

How can Chaurey demand to find him? Did Newton demand that the law of Gravity and physics be revealed to him? Is that how discovered the laws of gravity and physics? Did Einstein just sit around arguing with other people demanding that Relativity be 'revealed to him?'
Is that how he discovered it?

 I don't wish to get into the discussion on whether God exists or not but calling Prithvi Narayan Shah a myth is plain stupidity and ridiculous. We have history books, evidences that serve as verifications. Ever been to Nuwakot Durbar or Hetauda Gadhi? 

babaal khate can you then please provide proof since you are saying there is ample proof???