ok jsut posting a new thread.
there is a mentality in nepal that people think a foreign degree from us,uk,aus or basically is better then the nepalese degree,similar to people having a mentality about science commerce and arts.
i have always wondered why is a foreign degree so much highly rated for professional as well as social purpose.wherever you study be it nepal or be it bhutan or aus ,you have to work hard to get a degree and whatever they teach you , say for example in economics in bhutan ,they teach the same to you in aus as well as us of a.say for example( i dont know about science hai.........) the theory of relativity is same all over the world.
now why do people go to this foriegn lands to learn many of the subjects that are easily available in our country.is it really for the "degree" or is the degree a secondary matter?
well it is understandable for people to go abroad for some very specailized subjects like rocket science or neuclear thing and also for some real high education but for ssubjects that are available in our universities which are as good as any university's program.
also for example say computer science,why not india?casue i think india is as good as any place for computer science if not better but why is every body wanting to go to usa for that !!!!!!!!!!!!!
so i have always wondered is it the foriegn degree people are genuinly pursuing or is it the foreign land???????

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I can speak for US. Students in the US Colleges learn not only course work, but also general studies (literature, history, art, music etc.), social skills, team -work skills, public speaking etc. etc. . They get a lot of interactions in the classroom as well as outside. Since a lot of students work while going to college, they also learn gain some experiences there. It all counts.

On a different note, you compare the qualifications of the professors at Universities in Nepal and abroad, the ones abroad are most likely to have an outstanding qualification. There go you, kids taught by more qualified persons are higly likely to be better than others. But there are always exceptions.

Mahakaal ji, there are multitudes of reasons people go abroad, particularly west, for studies. I am a student at a government college in Nepal and I think I'll be speaking for the majority of my class if I say; Given the chance, nobody wants to study here. Everyone is looking for the remotest of oppertunities to get out of the country and if possible, never return.

Why, I ask, should anybody decide to study here? There is either a bandha ( or chakkajam or sabotage ) at least once a week; the other two days the teachers fail to turn up due to their personel assignments; the labs don't have half the equipment we need; and when the teachers finally show up, they make us scribble the age-old notes they carry about, and we are not supposed to ask too many questions-- all first hand experience, mate.Such is the state of the educational system in Nepal.

Yes, though the theories of relativity and Maslow's laws are universal, like you point out, it is nigh impossible to understand those intricate concepts when your class is burstling with a 150 students, with the teacher's voice failing to reach our ears very often. And the knowledge and qualifications of 'my' teachers, I regrettably admit, is below par -- to say the least.

Our educational system needs a sea-change. I don't know where we are going with the current set-up. Something needs to be done urgently, but again, aren't similar hue and crie raised about virtually every social institution in Nepal, these days?

compare school life in Nepal and US and ask yourself which one is harder/frustrating

Nepal's college is much harder and frustrating because its not systematic. They don't go to the core of the subject but asks you to memorize stuff. Ask anyone taking calculus classes for example, we just memorized in nepal but here you have a clear visualization in terms of graphs. Even biology or chemistry, much better understanding hence less frustrating. I am sorry that Nepal's education (TU) is in that state and I hope they will reform soon,

well i dont think so .i did my schooling in nepal as well and nobody asked us to memorize anything and yeah if you are talking about high school then yes there were some points where we had to memorize something .
yeah you have to get a job and study whern you are abroad and yes i accept it is hard to do it both and yeah that gives some value to your degree that is understandable.
bedrock i can say thats totally bull shit that you say about the professors of TU.if you have studied under them thenyou should know if not then welll let me tell you they are not like what you say.

and mr dum dum,yeah its true the college politics and bandhas make it hard that true.i too studied ina govt college and we could ask as many qestions as we could,thats also a first hand experience mate.and its that same in universities everywhere there will be a lot of students in the class and nowhere you ll do good if you dont study yourself as well.

but here a question arises since DUMDUM had to say something about the mentality of students of nepal and that is they would not want to return forever.so,people going/coming abroad

is it for a foreign (better???) degree or is it is it for a foreign land??????? honest?

One notable difference i would like to point out is availability of resources. Foreign colleges can afford to keep all the books that may be required to be referred. If somebody quotes, for example, M. E. Porter, then you can actually borrow the book and see what this guy is talking about. If you dont understand (or agree), the professors are there to discuss it with. Further, you have access to online journals where the pundits in their respective fields would be discussing on a hot and relevant topic on a given area. But it doesnt mean that a foreign graduate would automatically have a broader understanding unless s/he has put in lots of effort and taken initiatives. [If you ask me what I have learnt in a foreign UNI,I would be scratching my head. Honest, mate.]

But Nepal is not that far behind as far a team work and assignments are concerned. In TU's MBS program , where incidentally yours truly had the opportunity to fail three times, you need to work hard for your assignments and group work, which is good.


I would like to say somethig else here. A few years back, a so-called renowened institution was recruiting people; though it was not explicitly written anywhwere, it was learnt that they were short-listing only non-nepali-learned graduates. Oh, what a shame! Well, if it was purely out of chance and not and indication of their policy, I have nothing to say.

p.s. Studying abroad is not only about studies. Well, studies come second or even third or fourth in the list. But thats another story altogether.


cheers

mahakaal-i understand you don't agree to the point i made about qualification of TU professors. I told you before that there are exceptions, but generally speaking US Professors have better qualification than TU professors. May be TU professors have all they need to teach their students but having extra feathers always takes you extra miles. More oppurtunities in the US and availability of funding helps a lot. Professors in Schools here are required to publish papers, find funding, find graduate students to work with them etc. etc. I am sure Nepal has some great teachers but we are taking in general here. I don't have to prove it, if you don't get it, just log on to few university hompages and see what i am taking about. No intentions to put Nepali Professors down though.

My advice was- don't go abroad for your foreign degree, unless you are on a scholarship, or your dad is a millionaire or a govt. bureaucrat. it cost me 300 times ( approximately) more than it'd have cost me if i studied in nepal for my bba degree.

It's amusing to see your thoughts "KALEBHUT"!! First of all, it's extremely hard to get admitted to a good school in US. Yes, we definitely can't afford, it doesn't mean people who can do it aren't doing it for good!! Most nepalese can't afford it therefore they go to a cheap community college and work at the same time....... which is very tough! Which like other nepalese I have done too. But there is a whole new level when you attend really good school here.

Let me tell u something, I am not bragging but I have to show you the difference. I went to the community college and graduated from a very good school later. If you attend a good school, you definitely have to work very hard. You have to compete with foreign students. Not only it is a major disadvantage as English being your second language but you have to talk a lot in classes which we seldomly do in Nepalese classrooms. On top of that there is sooo much work load, extra activities, involement in different associations etc.There is no "just study in the finals attitude". But inspite of this and expensive tuition, I wouldn't regret my experience a bit. . I am a very shy girl and it was tough but I grew a lot. Teachers here are very supportive and u get one on one help and so much resources, Not to mention about their experience to handle students and their qualifications. I got involved in different associations and found my way through it! I feel very strong ,active and independent now because of it! And other main point is that you have an excellent opportunity for jobs here unlike Nepal. No more corruption "to get your son a job" kind of stuff!! If u want a job u have to work your ass off........that's the mentality. The main point is that never go to college just for your degree... go for an experience. You will be a different person in four years.... unlike nepal you know what you want to be after you graduate not before you graduate!!!!

To be honest guys................i dont give f..k studying in foreign or in nepal. Sometimes, i wish why it is not like before in time of mahabharata........we go to gurukul then study there and choose our weapon like bow and arrow, sword, spear etc etc....I do agree the education system in foreign is more advanced and techincally wise it is amazing. I mean u have audio video support, interet encyclopidiea, huge library, brain stroming session. Every major and minor has a second class where u can discuss ur letuchers. Well, it good but in same time ,,,it gives u so much cultural interaction..u get go see so many different nationality and learn their culture. This kind of stuff makes u grow and grow. It totally changes in life.
I think collage in nepal should be good as well. I know TU has pretty good reputation as well with KU. There is so many young generation..i have seen that they want to study in Nepal. My own brother wants to study in Nepal. He doesnot want to go oversea. Honestly, for the ppl who has sufficetn money and funding for children should stay in nepal rather than coming oversea and working assoff then u got to go to collage. Even u r dad is minister u still be working in america, london, australia every where. At the end Nepal ho ke Foreign ...it is hard to land a good job..I have lot of mates in australia who is working as cleaner and taxi drivers even after the graduation. I dont know about the america and london. Can be a same story?

1. onething i learnt 7 yrs ago is ( jump for techincal field)
2. Hospitality industry is best i found and took it
3. where ever you go to world>>.u can get job in this facuilty
and again in second semseter i changed my course and took culinary arts after developing passion for food and money u can make as chef

It is long way to go man....................when u done u r done...............Do u know what does it feel to be execuative Chef ....ask me man after u r ass being sweaty in kitchen specially working with french moron who dont even want to speak english....

I dont want my kids to doc, engi,pilot, socolist, physcologist or anything.......i want them to live hippie life................peace

Knowledge is what u gain from reading books or by experiencing the world by.For me a whole world is an open book..and u can learn a lot from ...where u can't learn from ur book or by gaining just degree.Some may hold a degree in certain field scoring high grade marks but may not be able to work in those certain field when comes to reality.So where ever the degree is from doenst matter ...unless u got the ability to do what u intend to do.
It would be wonderful if Nepal had all those facilites as in foreign nationals where there r liabries all over and educational centres so tht students can go in their leasuire time and study by themself what they want to.
cheers.

I agree with you sweetiepie. Actually, i just mean that going to a private or a community college and then to university in a foreign land is 300-400 times expenisve than it is in nepal, for international students. Unless your dad is a big shot or govt bureaucrat in Nepal. As moneyminded put it, most of his friends are taxi drivers or cleaners after graduation in Australia. So, whats the opportunity cost of their endeavours their sacrifices and their hardwork?

If its the experience and international exposure you've gained attending a foreign college in us, you a winner sweetiepie. I wish you all the best for you future and good job.

thanks
kalebhut.

Mahakaal, I did a little research on my own on your prompting. I asked all my classmates who wanted to go abroad for studies what their primary motive for wanting to study/live abroad was. The unnanimous verdict was, to put it very bluntly: Who gives a damn about studies once you go abroad! It is purely about money, full stop! Well, the same guys may have given different answers had a teacher put across such question in the middle of the class. But there you have it, Mahakaal.

As far as my personal view is concerned, as of now, I am very happy in Nepal. This is the primary reason I have not yet applied for a US visa. Maybe, I will apply for my master's. I have everything I want right here, mate.

Well "KALEBHUT" u still don't get it do u?. My dad is a very respected person in KTM and not a beaurocrat but is actually respected for not being a beaurocrat!!. You don't have to insult my dad for not agreeing with your point. By the way, I paid for my own tuition for this school. Overseas, you get loans dummy........ u don't have to pay everything upfront! If you are serious about something then u have to work hard and not expect money from your parents. Even americans here move out of their homes around 17-18 and they have to survive on their own!!! They work and go to schools and pay their tuition even after 10 yrs.of their graduation. I think our mentality is that parents have to pay for their children no matter what and that their children and hanging out in new road doing nothing!! GROW UP!!

As far as most nepalese students here are concerned, majority of them don't even finish college. Yeah it is hard to work and to study in a foreign land but if they really try they can. I know a lot of Nepalese who are still doing those the low end jobs and no hope for future but I know many who have worked hard and gotten a really good jobs here. and yes u are right...... "I am definitely a winner" because I have worked hard and paid for my own tuition and have a great job unlike u sitting there and criticizing. Sometimes, u have to get up do it instead of just complaining u know!! IF U DON"T GET OUT THE BOX........YOU DON'T KNOW HOW BIG THIS WORLD IS"

After passing through a couple of years studying in UK's university, my personal experiece is, studying in UK is comparatively easier than studying home's university because of course is more flexible and not so stressful like in our university's annual exam system. It's not only my personal view, i got the same view even from my indian and chinese collegues. About study in UK's university, one of my Banking and Finance Master level collegue put her view like that even non english speaker can easily pass the University exam over here in Uk by learning just couple of questions by heart in exam. The most important lession studying either UK or USA is about to learn about real life working as a restaurant waiter to sweeper to cover 3-4 times higher tuition fee than local students.

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Knowledge is universal ... does not matter where you get it. If you work hard and persistent, you will get what you want as far as knowledge is concerned. Facilities are there for consolidation and that's what our universities lack in. Books, lab equipment, audio-video interactions all fall into the category of facility. But still the types of schools affect your the scope of your level of knowledge only at the beginning... the most important school is your home ... home, parents and your gene decide how far you may go... the rest is circumstantial and that we call luck.
There are a plenty of examples to support my view. If we keep on blaming our Universities for the level of knowledge we posess, we are doing injustice to our country a whole.
By tradition we Nepalese are studious and still it amages me why we are so far behind.
Where we lack facilities we should try to use our imagination. We should dream all the time. There is a good chance many of your dreams come true. For some dreams are ones you get when you are asleep. Others dream using wht they call simulation.

In theory everything can be simulated using a computer. A computer may be a PC or may be just an abacus, or a calculator, or a log table or antilog table.

My personl experience while attending a US University or for that matter a Russian University... it's you who should teach yourself not your teacher.

In future ouru niv will and shall producestars

sweetiepie,
looks like you have not been able to part with the same "so called" attitude you are complaining about.

i admire everybody who are juggling their time between work and studies to meet their ends meet. lot of nepalese are doing it and my kudos to them

its not easy and
FYI, sweetie jyu, there is no low-end job. it reflects your mentality, perception and real you that still perceives some jobs are high end and others are low end.

as for me, all jobs are equal provided that you are happy with it and as long as it is nothing illegal[meaning drugs etc.]. remember that all of us have a choice and we make it as we deem necessary based on individual's circumstances.

well i agree with JAGALTAY BHOOT.and also mr.dum dum said about his friends mentalities.
but going through this thread i read something SWEETPIE had to say.i have some questions re\garding her strong use of the phrase "unlike nepal............"
1.do you think it is easy to get a degree in nepal or do you think people dont work hard to get a degree in nepal.
2.do you think that students in nepal dont know what they want to do before graduating?
3.do you think the job people hold in nepal is jsut because of being somebody's son/daughter...and they dont have to work hard and produce results to keep their job?
if you have finished a degree in nepal and also searched for a job aournd then you can say that ,but,if not then you know what i mean ... .i did my bachelors from the best govt. commerce campusin kathmandu and i dont know nobody who has an average of 70%,well excluding the science faculty of tu.it is tough and you have to work your arrrrse off.
and yeah also i would like to say yeah you get a job and also go to schooool and work hard and get degrees .so was that all effort of yours for a foreign degree or a foreign land?