is it time to go French? you know what i'm talking about, right? the guillotine?

don't ask me who's gonna bell the cat. all i am asking is - is it time now?

I am curious about what u r saying man..could u please clarify the theme.thanks

I guess that he was saying that we should follow the french revolution to throw away the monarchy.

what else what more?...:)

Why just limit ourselves to Nepal? Let's think global, know what I mean?

That's right, it's time for heads to roll. The world is heading the wrong way, I'm telling y'all. Let's not get ahead of ourselves though-- fix the world one head at a time. First we get rid of all headbangers. Many of em are a bunch of skinheads anyway. I'm not kidding. While we are at it, round up all headstrong dunderheads as well. Off with their heads. So hopefully the world will head in the right direction after that.

Free speech and theoretical discussions here aside, I think you guys are yet to understand the real cause of the problems in Nepal.

The key is in education. Nepal needs to pursue an aggressive and effective education policy.

Historically, educating the population has never been given high enough a priority. In most cases, only elites have had access [or means] to seek any formal education. This hasn't changed much and even the "democratic" governments [after 1990] have failed to address this problem. I have a suspicion that there may be a powerful political force that still sees in its strategic interest to keep the mass uneducated.

Just imagine for a second if you didn't know what you now know (like let us say you were only literate--at best!). Then ask yourself about the French Revolution or American Independence, and if that's what Nepal needs.

Keep in mind that any successful revolution has to start from the grassroots. You and I have very little role.

So again, education is the key. Everything else will follow.

Echos,

Education is also a revolution in itself and revolution is another mean of education.

Have you ever thought about the best mean of education? What is education? Just knowing what our forefathers thought is useful to know. or being aware of your existence, meaning of your life, your needs and rights?

The Education system that tried to educate people for more than 30 years( after Naya Sikshya) just produces scores of Engineers and Doctors who flee the country or villages for better life. And few more enlightened dumbs who used their knowledge to get advantage from ignorant.

Beside many destructive , immoral and inhumane acts by maoist, they should be credited for the women impowerment, political awareness. The result is that not all but majority of people now can't be duped from political parties nor by the KING.

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Keep in mind that any successful revolution has to start from the grassroots. You and I have very little role.
>> I concur.

we are now experiencing american democracy bestowed with grace from the elites. Go for the grassroots' revolution. As you said it would be succesful.

ok, i agree i was almost being facetious when i asked whether it was time for the guillotine.

but i still think it is a valid question.

and i do not think the French were really all that educated when the revolution occured. if anything, they killed off most of the intellectuals.

and i do agree that education is important. but freedom is more important. education is a tool, but freedom is the environment in which the tool can/will work.

anyways, i asked whether it was time for the guillotine because people are pissed off at all three "power centers". sounds a lot like a fractioned, factioned elite trying to impose/lord over the masses...

Education is a double edged sword.

If you consider Nepal, you'd think the most educated people live in KTM rite? I'll give you a newsflash. These educated people are the most committed ones in segregating the society today in terms of riches, castes and ethnicity. The more educated you are, the more racist you become. Hey! all those Generals and Colonels also got TOP EDUCATION from TOP SCHOOLS. Why do they blindly kiss King's Ass then? Amazing eh?

Talking about Gulloutine, WHAT MORE, if you do get started let me know. My preppy girlfriend last week showed me how she gulloitines the guinea pigs in her lab PAINLESSLY, as she describes it, to do some hot shot research. I'd love to do that.

This is interesting indeed. Isn't this what the aim of the Maoists' movement was/is all about? A kinda revolution? Just where has it got them and Nepal? A poor country that can ill afford economic and social devastation of such a massive scale.

sunnydev-jee,

"Have you ever thought about the best mean of education? What is education? Just knowing what our forefathers thought is useful to know. or being aware of your existence, meaning of your life, your needs and rights?"

No need to make it unnecessarily abstract. That's the problem with you intellectuals. I'm talking about a proper high-school (at least) education for all. What part did you not understand?

"The Education system that tried to educate people for more than 30 years( after Naya Sikshya) just produces scores of Engineers and Doctors who flee the country or villages for better life."

I think that's rubbish. Have you any idea how few skilled workers Nepal produces in proportion to the population? I wish the Naya Sikshya worked like you said. It is not hard at all to find villages in Nepal where nobody has ever graduated with an SLC.

"And few more enlightened dumbs who used their knowledge to get advantage from ignorant."

Exactly why the side being taken advantage of needs to be educated.

"Beside many destructive , immoral and inhumane acts by maoist, they should be credited for the women impowerment, political awareness"

Probably. You can define empowerment various ways, but you may be right to some extent regardless.

what more-jee,

"and i do not think the French were really all that educated when the revolution occured. if anything, they killed off most of the intellectuals."

Read this: - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Enlightenment

"and i do agree that education is important. but freedom is more important. education is a tool, but freedom is the environment in which the tool can/will work."

No. Education may be a tool but freedom then is one of its goals. If it's your way, why did the educational policies since 1990 in Nepal not work? You have to put education first. And I find it funny why it's hard for you guys to see.

Take Ukraine, as example. Even though its highly skilled workforce (lotsa doctors, engineers, philosophers and scientists--99% literacy) initially ended up as street vendors [soon after its independence], it now looks to be a promising democracy with institutionalized accountability and checks-and-balances. There's only one thing I can attribute it to: educated population.

snurp-jee,

"If you consider Nepal, you'd think the most educated people live in KTM rite? I'll give you a newsflash. These educated people are the most committed ones in segregating the society today in terms of riches, castes and ethnicity. The more educated you are, the more racist you become. Hey! all those Generals and Colonels also got TOP EDUCATION from TOP SCHOOLS. Why do they blindly kiss King's Ass then? Amazing eh?"

You need to educate the people, as well. Administrators (even those properly educated) will only end up corrupt (like you've said) if the folks on the receiving end aren't educated enough to work as an effective pressure group...You can never fully trust the ruling class, no matter how educated it may be. You always need the hooks in place.

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No. Education may be a tool but freedom then is one of its goals. If it's your way, why did the educational policies since 1990 in Nepal not work? You have to put education first. And I find it funny why it's hard for you guys to see.
>>>>

Lets put education as the simple HighSchool graduation. And it would not be abstract.

Free Education up to the HighSchool was the policy made after 1990, if that's the education you are talking about. The word "1990" makes your view a little biased if you care to notice.

And don't fear the freedom. Nepali people don't need degrees to participate in democratic process. My people just need few strong , moral and trustworthy voices to aware them of the trechery , educated and calculated lies and conspiracies. They just need one influencial guy who can show them that ECHOS plan to deprive you of the freedom in name of the Education, Peace , foreign invasion and possible chaos should not disttract you. It's just another ploy.

Voulez vous jouer avec moi ? Ce soir .....
hehehhehee

"The word "1990" makes your view a little biased if you care to notice."

I couldn't care less. What is wrong is wrong.

"Nepali people don't need degrees to participate in democratic process."

May not be a prerequisite, but if you want democracy to work, yes they do.

"My people just need few strong , moral and trustworthy voices to aware them of the trechery , educated and calculated lies and conspiracies."

Ok, good. But unless the people are educated, how are they going to tell which of the conflicting voices do actually speak for them? You just want them to trust you, eh? That makes you no different than an absolute monarch or a current leader in Nepali politics.

"They just need one influencial guy who can show them that ECHOS plan to deprive you of the freedom in name of the Education, Peace , foreign invasion and possible chaos should not disttract you."

Well, here's the fundamental difference:
You want to show them what is right; I want them to be able to see it for themselves.

"It's just another ploy."

Haha. You're funny, too! :-)

voulez vous couchez avec moi? ce soir? hehehehe.

Guys,

Its time to go to see that video clip of Buddha boy of nepal.

echoes ji

this is getting interesting. hehe. i don't agree with you on education being a pre-requisite for democracy. to the contrary, freedom and freedom alone guarantees education is not appropriated by a chosen few.

i'll be back after i read the wiki piece.